🏍️ Inside the California Superbike School: An Introduction to the Series🎙️

In this special kickoff episode, hosts Angus Norton and Rick Rayner introduce an exciting new podcast series featuring in-depth interviews with the legendary California Superbike School coaches. We share why we’re diving into these conversations, what riders can expect to learn, and how these world-class coaches help transform the way people ride. Whether you're a track-day addict or just looking to sharpen your skills, this series will give you exclusive insights into the art and science of riding at the limit. Stay tuned for incredible stories, expert tips, and behind-the-scenes wisdom from the best in the business! 🎧🔥

Transcript

Angus Norton (00:01.556)
Well, good day, everyone. It's awesome to be back on. you know, I wanted to introduce you all personally to Rick Rayner, because unless you've been following our YouTube channel over the last year, you may not know who Rick is. And Rick is my partner in crime. And we've been working together over the last year to talk to really interesting people in the industry of motorcycling.

And with very much a track focused regime, suppose you'd call it a track focused, I'll edit this out, but very much a track and writing focused content where we just think there are a lot of really interesting people that have learned a hell of a lot about writing on the street and on the track. And through our collective gray here between Rick and I, our collective gray here,

We just figured we'd tell some stories. So Rick, welcome to Podcastland.

Rick (01:02.136)
Thank you, sir. Good to see you again. It's been a little bit.

Angus Norton (01:05.78)
Yeah man, it has, and

Rick (01:07.096)
We've been both working the microphones and not really having a chat together very much.

Angus Norton (01:13.588)
Yeah, you know, and it's for neither of us, this is not a day job, right? So we do, we do this for the love of it. And you and I talked a little about that a few weeks ago when we were down in LA for that event. And you made some really great points. And so, you know, from my point of view, you know, we, I think we both really enjoy the process of learning. And I, for one, I want someone that wasn't a good listener or a good learner.

when I was younger, but the older I get, the more I'd say in tune I am with listening to what other people have to say. And certainly in my experience, when it comes to writing, a lot of folks will turn up at a racetrack or maybe even just turn up for a Canyon ride. Kind of thinking they know it all, but realizing very quickly that maybe they don't. And I'm curious for you, Rick, what's your motivation to be part of this podcast series? Cause it's been really awesome just kind of hanging out with you and.

watching your work.

Rick (02:14.124)
Yeah, my, my motive is funny because Kobe asked me that yesterday. Let's talk Kobe fair. The, the, I think global leader of California super bike school. We were talking about, we're jumping the gun here, man, but, we were, we're, setting up a, we're setting up a chat. So anyway, he asked me the same thing.

Angus Norton (02:19.498)
Who's Kobe? Yep.

Rick (02:43.542)
And for me it's just trying to convey... Let me start with this. We are old and I'm... I got probably 10 years on you. I'm not afraid to say it, like I'm 60.

Angus Norton (03:02.688)
Yeah, but you're fast as hell on the track and I can't catch you.

Rick (03:04.92)
Ha.

Rick (03:08.494)
Well, um, but here's the interesting thing is, uh, these people that I talked to and several of the people that you talk to are not spring chickens. So if I just look in my own wallet here, I mean, James Tooey, I think he's probably 53 or right around there. Johnny Haynes. I think he might be, I don't know for sure. Sorry, Johnny, but maybe 55.

Something like that. So I'm 60 year whatever. So Ken Hill looks like he's probably my age ish, you know? So, there's some old dudes running around in the sport, man. And I didn't pick the guys I talked to based on their age. That's just where they happen to be. So that's a very interesting little fact, right?

Angus Norton (03:44.054)
53 next month.

Rick (04:08.398)
And I think what we get from being a little older is

perspective on what we have learned and how we learned it. And so what's very interesting is, you know, when I started my Superbike career, I was 40. Right? Weren't you about that?

Angus Norton (04:34.186)
Yeah, was, you know, I wrote, I wrote on the street for, 30 years and did my first track day when I was 47.

Rick (04:41.26)
Okay. Okay. So what's it's, isn't it different to learn when you're older? I think that's the point. Like when you're an older person, the way the information comes in and the way that you use it is different than when you're a younger person, at least it was for me. And I've been a learner my entire life, but, there's a lot of anxiety when you're younger. a lot of information when you're younger.

A lot of those neural pathways are not formed yet. So you're creating neural pathways while you're learning things. And it's a little bit tougher road. So when you're older, in my opinion, it's a little easier to learn and it's a little easier to put what you're learning in perspective.

Angus Norton (05:32.566)
Yeah, it's probably fair to say too, there's less peer pressure. I think when you're younger, you're kind of out to prove to the world that you're making it in life, that you're getting your shit together, that you've got a great job, you've got a good girlfriend or boyfriend or whatever it is you're into. you kind of, certainly the testosterone and ego factor is a lot higher.

Right. and I suppose some of us are wired that way from birth to be very competitive with other people and others are not, but yeah, I share that. if, if I had the wisdom I have now and I could go back to my 20 year old self and impart it, would. and, I suppose, you know, as you think about the, the, podcasts we've done, you know, we've talked to, young races, like

Mike Buchanan who's headed into Moto3 this year from the Red Bull Rookies Cup. We have spoken to Mallory Dobbs who is racing in Europe and is racing in Moto America. I'm talking to Rocco Landers later this week. know Rocco, by the way, races in Moto America. For those of you listening to this outside of the US, also talked about coaches and one of those coaches is Ken Hill who is really known in the US for

for his master class coaching approach. But Rick has also interviewed California's Superbike coaches, which he mentioned Johnny Haynes and James Toohey, both who have worked for that school for over 20 years. And Johnny was like one of the founding coaches for the school in the UK. And so, you know, just a lot of very different perspectives, right? And Rick, you've been a student and you know, alumni of the California Superbike School for like, how many schools have you done now?

Rick (07:26.37)
I don't know. It's probably a hundred and maybe one thirty ish is my guess. It may not be quite that high, but it's a little bit messy to figure it all out. So anyway, it's a lot. It's a lot.

Angus Norton (07:34.207)
Yeah.

Angus Norton (07:45.194)
Yeah. No, it is a lot. and, and, and I, Rick and I met, at the track. And one of the reasons that we call him, I call him the professor is because, he's kind of one of those people that really loves to help others progress their knowledge in a lot of different topics. And I'm not just motorcycling. Rick's helped me with a whole lot of things.

in life. so he's kind of one of those guys is just a great guy to, sort of, you know, sponge and learn from. And if you, if you're willing to listen, you'll learn a ton. And, and so, you know, I know we talk about schools a lot. I've done the Yamaha Champs school, I've done California Superb School, I've learned, you know, great things from both of them. I've done more Kelly schools just because I tend to

enjoy that format more. The Yamaha Champs school is run by either current or former national and international level races. That's how they pitch their story. California Super 8 school has a different story, right? Because they founded, invented this whole category of on-track training back in the early 80s. so Rick talked about

earlier talked about Kobe and Kobe Fair was as the head of global coaching, but also one of the founding coaches at the school. so Rick, I think you're hinting that you might be talking to him soon and what an upcoming podcast. Is that right?

Rick (09:24.044)
Yeah, I think, I think we're going to do it. You know, I think, I think just getting James and Johnny to sit down with us, was pretty amazing and fun and rare, very, very rare. And I think both of us are extremely thankful for that. and people are watching those and, listening to those we know. So that's great. Kobe.

is another level of how do we get that guy? But we're gonna get him. We're gonna get him for a lot of different reasons. We're pretty good friends. We've known each other for a very long time. But what we want to do with Kobe is have a little bit more of an agenda. So we may set up sort of an agenda.

you know, talk pre-plan sort of what we want to, what we want to talk about a little bit more deliberately. And, I do like the, the, the, the free, you know, let's just see what comes up sort of a chat. I love that what we did already. but I think it might be a little more, valuable and interesting. And I know Coby wants it to be valuable.

He wants a good shot at putting some good value out there, just like we do. So I think we'll do that. Yeah.

Angus Norton (10:59.7)
Yeah, it's, it's such a, it's such a big topic. And I suppose if you're, you know, if you're listening to this podcast, what I, what I've observed, as someone that's written a long time, is when I turned up at the track after 30 years of writing on the street and I've written all over the world, I'd done, you know, almost a million miles across four different continents. I thought I knew how to write. And then I realized very quickly that I'd been writing the wrong way for 30 years. And that was a.

It took me going to the track to learn that. But one of the things I noticed, Rick, is, you know, when I'm on forums such as Reddit, Facebook, all these various forums, you see a lot of young people getting into motorcycling, whether that's on the street or on the track. And a lot of the posts I see are, hey, I'm getting into track. Where should I start? Or, hey, here I am at the track. Here's some photos of me. How's my body position? Can you give me any tips?

I always go, no, this is not the place to get advice on that sort of stuff is a forum because everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they're a coach. But I think the folks we've been talking to like James Tuia, right? We estimate he's done half a million miles, like half a million miles of riding on the track as a coach, right?

Rick (11:58.764)
Yeah.

Rick (12:15.646)
On a racetrack. On a racetrack, not just on a motorcycle.

Angus Norton (12:19.626)
Right. Right. And so if you've got the time and are willing to listen to some of these podcasts we've done and we're to release them over the next few months, you're going to get so many Rick Coulson nuggets of learning from people who actually know. This is the fast person at the racetrack. And you think maybe that person's fast. So that person knows often people are fast, but they're not really good at teaching or they don't really know how to, or they have their way, which may or may not be right. think

mean, Rick, do you think there's any one right? What, you know, is there one right way to ride on the track? Like, like, know, like everyone feels like they know their way, but the school's all kind of the same thing, don't they?

Rick (13:01.548)
Well, man, we would have to break that down into. We would have to break that down into something smaller, but for many of the things like how to steer, how to break, how to roll on the gas, what's a good line? Yeah, there are. There are basically the right way in the in the not right way, which there's a lot of. So you could pretty easily hone.

in on saying that, yes, there are correct ways of doing, you know, we could even be more specific and say rider inputs or how we're controlling the motorcycle. There are specific things that should be done a certain way. Let's say that. Yes, I, I

It's too hard, I mean, to say it more generally than that, but am I being confusing?

Angus Norton (14:09.022)
No, not at all. mean, I think one of the things that really strikes me when I talk to Rick is Rick, you were a physics teacher at one point in your career. Yeah, you taught physics.

So I remember one conversation I had with Rick. You can talk all about body position and where to hit the apex and where to exit to corner and throttle. You can talk about all of those things. But there are two things I've learned from Rick, which sounds simple. The first one is a motorcycle is a gyroscope.

Right. And I remember you told me, well, gyroscopes just want to stay upright. Usually where they fall over is because of input from something.

Rick (14:54.552)
Well, can I be more specific? They want to stay in the plane that they are in. It might not be upright. When it is upright, it wants to stay upright. When it's leaned over, as long as it has locomotion, it wants to stay leaned over. Right? If you just hold the gas on it will just stay there. Right? So yeah.

Angus Norton (14:57.29)
Yeah, be more specific.

Rick (15:22.412)
And I think there's really more than one gyro. There's, there's obviously the front wheel, the back wheel, and then there's some rotating mass in the engine. Right. And so all of those things added to, there's a momentum factor too. There's not just the, the circular momentum of those gyros, you know, the rotational momentum, but the moment, the linear momentum of you and the motorcycle together.

going down a pathway that it doesn't want to move from. Right. So that's a long answer to your question, but yes, gyros everywhere.

Angus Norton (16:05.728)
but the flesh and bones on top of that gyro and the way the flesh and bones.

impact the momentum of that gyro, whether that's through throttle control, body position, all of those things, braking, are usually the things that determine the difference between crashing and not crashing, do you think? Or a great line and a bad line, or a great lap time and a not great lap time.

Rick (16:35.778)
Well, yeah, I think it depends on, in my opinion, it depends on the writer and if they care to understand things that way. could, somebody could just watch the, the James and Johnny or listen to the James and Johnny talks, right? That I had with them. Cause I know we talked about this and you can just

Know what's gonna happen when you roll on the gas and plan for that and not know why it's happening and that's fine. That's that's 95 % of riders out there that are good riders on the racetrack, but some people That understand gyros and things well For me, it's I like to understand why

When I, if I'm leaned over and I roll on the gas, why do I go wide? That's a known fact. It's going to happen. You need to plan for that. That needs to be part of your line plan. You're going to go wide if you're leaned over and you accelerate. So I know that to be a fact because of the physics part of it, but some riders are just going to know that to be a fact because they've experienced it.

And there's a lot of riders that don't know that to be a fact and they still need to learn that that is what's going to happen. So you can visualize a line and you know, but if you're going to get on the gas earlier and earlier and earlier, you're going to be leaned over and that is going to affect how you come out of that course. It's going to affect the whole line, right? It's going to make you go wide and you need to adjust for that.

Angus Norton (18:09.236)
One of the things... Yeah.

Rick (18:30.146)
So when riders are beginning, you know, they're not necessarily getting on the gas that early. And so they, they come out of the corner and then they start to roll on the gas and stand the bike up. That's a great way to learn. mean, there's nothing wrong with that, but when riders want to start rolling on earlier and earlier and earlier, all of a sudden that line's completely different. Are we getting off topic? mean,

Angus Norton (18:58.144)
No, that's okay because these are the sorts of things that we're trying to get across to listeners, right? And I know when you talked to Johnny, you and Johnny talked about intuitive writers, you might say naturally talented writers versus folks like myself. I've had to be a learn it all, not a know it all, right? I didn't arrive on the earth with the intuition of riding a motorcycle like some people do. But one of the other things I see in the forums, is

Rick (19:03.308)
Right.

Angus Norton (19:28.992)
Folks like, hey, I'm going to the racetrack for the first time. I'm just going to get on my bike and ride. Now I know that not everyone can afford a coach. Not everyone can afford to go to a school. I always try to say to them, well, look, there's going to be 50 million people who think they know what they're doing there. If you can't afford a coach or a school at the very least, go and find a control rider. Go and find someone that is part of a track organization and ask them to tow you around.

and show you the lines. Show you the lines.

Rick (19:59.608)
Yeah, but not the guy, not that guy you asked the last time you met a guy that told you that he was a coach or whatever. he, come and I'll show you the line. My line's a little bit different than everybody else's, but it's good. I'll show it to you. Not that guy.

Angus Norton (20:18.134)
That's right. So there are going to be people like that, right? And so the other thing I've observed is you say, you you talk about the good writers. I've observed writers that are really fast, but they miss all their apexes all day long, but they're really fast. And after this couple of sessions, they're exhausted. And I see them and they're like half my age. These guys exhausted. And my sense is because they're not hitting their apexes, they're not making their lines. They're basically working really, really hard.

too hard, right? And letting the bike ride them. But they feel good because they feel like they're going fast and then they are going fast. Do you have a point of view about that?

Rick (20:59.416)
Well, I mean, if they get going too fast, they're not going to have enough track. If they're not getting down on the apex, they're wasting real estate. Basically. Remember me saying at the track, they paved it. Use it. I don't know if I, I remember saying that to you. may not remember it, but I've said it to all of our buddies, man, but it's so funny. But yes, they may be fast, but if they go fast enough.

Angus Norton (21:15.84)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Rick (21:29.336)
They're gonna have a bad day. So the faster you go, you need to use the track, the pavement. They paved it for you. You need to be on the apex. You need to be, in my opinion, you need to be on the paint if you can get on the paint and it's not slippery paint. Get on the paint. You know, that little bit. And this isn't arrogance. I'm not trying to be cool here, but...

If you can, if you can, like at the ridge, the paint's like,

Rick (22:07.662)
18 inches wide or something?

Angus Norton (22:09.75)
It's the Ridge in Washington State, the US here.

Rick (22:12.502)
Yeah. So I mean, if you can cut into half of that, you know, that's that's nine, 10 inches of the apex. That makes a completely different line coming out. You're rolling on the gas earlier. You're standing the bike up a little bit, you know, quicker. It's a totally different line. So if you want to go faster, use the real estate. It's a straighter line.

If somebody's fast and they're not down on the apex, they're going to have a limit.

Angus Norton (22:46.838)
Well, there's also something to be said, for, was a couple of us a lot in this, but these are the types of discussions that we're gonna be having over the next few weeks with these California Superbike School instructors, right? But I think there's also a lot to be said, Rick, for.

If you're not hitting your apexes, mean, a lot of folks I talked to and I asked the pros, like, that's all I think about. All I think about is that all I'm thinking about is the apex. Yeah, sure. There might be some corners, like at the Ridge, not everyone will do 8A and 8B. Not everyone will do 8A, but they'll do 8B, for example. Right. But generally they're trying to the apexes. And if you're not trying to do that, you're just going hell for ever fast. A, I think you're going to be dangerous, right? You could endanger others on the track.

And B, you're probably going to crash more. Would that be fair to say? Right. Okay.

Rick (23:36.696)
Yeah. I mean, there's going to be a limit and also, you know, what did you say? Hell to what? Hell to hell to leather fast. That's just a subjective. mean, that's to that's, you know, what does that mean? I mean, it may look fast, but there's going to be a limit to that. Right. You can't go that fast without without using the track. You need to use all of that pavement.

Angus Norton (23:43.978)
Hell for Leber, it's a down under term.

Angus Norton (24:01.558)
You can't go balls out as really what I truly saying.

Rick (24:06.796)
You need to use it all. And the reason these guys are looking for the apex and that's so important is because they want the drive. And if you're not down on the apex, your drive is going to suck because you can't get on the gas. You need the... Yeah.

Angus Norton (24:22.198)
So let me ask you another thing. Well, let me ask you another thing, Rick. imagine you're the other thing I see on the forums of these kids, know, they're, you know, fresh out of college or whatever. They're still like getting, going in their lives. All they talk about is the gear, the suspension, the exhaust, the bike, the this or that. So, and I always say, look, you, you're overly focusing on the equipment, but if there is my sense is the equipment you should care about is obviously the flesh and blood on the bike, but

Suspension, tire pressure and brakes are probably the most important things. Everything else, like people over, they feel like overly focused on, got this map and I got this exhaust and I got this shit. Like none of that matters, right? Really? Cause you go out there and you get passed by someone on a Ninja 400 because they're a better rider. Right? But tell me your point of view on that one.

Rick (25:01.251)
Yeah.

Rick (25:10.442)
you're 100 % correct. But you know, we live in this world of tinkers. You know, we all want to get our new, you know, fire breathing dragon and tinker with it. That's just a fact. So I'm not one of those guys, as you know. So, I mean, yeah, I put exhaust on and because of that, I put a race map on, but

Angus Norton (25:24.714)
Haha.

Rick (25:38.604)
That's pretty much all I do. And I'll give you an example of that.

Angus Norton (25:43.35)
You put the thumb break on there, right? That was kind of, you have a thumb break. That's kind of tinkering.

Rick (25:46.754)
Yeah, but I wouldn't say that that's, you know, messing with a bunch of fancy stuff. mean, I actually liked the breakup on the rear brake on my thumb. So I don't know if I'd put it in the same category, but you can, if you want to, but yeah.

Angus Norton (26:04.416)
So, yeah. So, so mate, we're to try and keep this pretty relatively short today. One of the things I love about Rick is he goes so deep. It's the professor in him that he'll have a podcast of one of the someone and he'll send it to me and it's like three hours. And because this is not a day job, you know, we have day jobs. Who does the editing? Me. Rick's like, yeah, I just spent like five hours, five hours talking to this person.

Rick (26:27.566)
Of course. There you go, baby.

Angus Norton (26:34.046)
It's really awesome. And I'm like, that's great Rick. So can you make the next one? Like if I tell you make it an hour, you'll probably make it two. So if I say you make it half an hour, you'll probably make it an hour. So my challenge to Rick is to his next one is going to be shorter.

Rick (26:50.51)
Well, I mean you're the editor man you can slice it and dice it that's the way I look at it

Angus Norton (26:55.126)
Well, what I want to know is from those of you listening, because a lot of folks listening don't know anything about our YouTube channel. So the YouTube channel we have, which is Kibimoto 72, we have about 60,000 subscribers and the, you know, we do motorcycle reviews and all that sort of fun stuff, but we do a lot of podcasts. And so we've literally only just moved to like the audio only format podcasts like Spotify and, um, Apple recently.

and it was actually, when, when I, interviewed Matt Oxley a few weeks ago, and he was shedding your beliefs to his stuff that I figured I should probably do that as well. thanks, Matt, if you're listening. but you know, we've had some cool people on, right? We've had the local races, in the U S the local coaches in the U S we've interviewed the professor. we've had, you know, GP level people like, Cormac and, and, and, Cormac Buchanan and Simon Crafer.

And so, you know, we're getting a good mix of people. so, so let's set things up over the next few weeks. we are going to be releasing three, four podcasts. First one will be of Dylan code. Who's the son of Keith code, who was the founder, obviously, if you don't know of the California super bike school, there's a whole lot of stories there. and then we're going to go to a selection of the most, seasoned coaches.

that the school has. These are people that have raced, have coached, have ridden, think Rick and I think probably more miles than anyone else, certainly in North America, maybe in the world. If you think for a minute about James, like we said earlier, half a million miles on the track, like half a million miles of coaching on the track. So what we're really hoping is that if you have a learner's mindset, you're willing to take the time.

Maybe you listen to half an hour in the morning driving to work, half an hour driving home. Some of these are pretty long, but we hope that you'll get some what Rick calls nuggets out of this stuff. And if we're not providing interesting content or stuff you want to hear, like let us know. Yeah. What, what, do you think? What are your thoughts Rick? Sort of for folks that are haven't come to us through YouTube or just finding us randomly on Spotify.

Rick (29:13.836)
I just think that, yeah, let me throw out a couple ideas, but man, you just made my brain explode. So I want to go back to the very first question you asked me, which is why are we doing this? And I, we started talking about being old. Okay. But the thing is, is, as an old guy,

I, and, and my whole life, you know, I've loved to help people understand things. obviously you learn in doing that, that you, you learn a lot by, having to explain things and not wanting, there has to be a desire to not want to be incorrect. So it forces you to be correct about what you're talking about so that you can pass this information on. And so,

We, you, me, and these people that we're interviewing, the coaches anyway, have that in common, right? We all want to convey good information to people. And these guys that we interviewed, it kind of comes across as a California Superbike School marketing thing, but it's not. I mean, it's where my roots are. So those people are accessible. That's, you know,

And, we should be happy that they are sitting down with us. We should be, and the listeners, Hey, there's nuggets in there for sure. There's no question about it. There are nuggets in there. You may have to listen to it two or three times. I I've listened to, I've re listened to those hours long conversations myself and went, my God, there, there was one I totally forgot about a little nugget. So the,

the people with a little bit of age, you know, and knowledge behind them talking about things. And then the second thing I wanted to say is my desire when I talk to these people is a little bit unusual. I think what I want to get out of them. So I've seen Casey Stoner interviewed a couple of times. Just going to give you an example. And everybody's always talking about, you know,

Rick (31:37.186)
this corner or that corner or Valentino Rossi and whatever they were doing together, things like that. And what, if I sat down with Casey Stoner, man, I'd be asking him about, you know, rider inputs, his interpretation of a good line. maybe ask him your, your apex question. just.

Everything I can about rider inputs. Do you push yourself back when you're on the front brake? Do you pull yourself forward when you're rolling on the gas? What do you do there? When do you do that? You know, I want to dig into riding. I want to dig into controlling the motorcycle. If I had a guy like Casey Stoner. So that's where I think my mind is when I talk to these guys is I want to dig into that stuff. I think that's really interesting.

You know, I really, it's, you know, it's interesting to, to, to know about, know, Hey, you know, Casey Stoner, I'm using it as an example, of course, but you know, how old, how old were you when you started writing? That's all really interesting, but man, I can't wait to get to the, to the nuts and bolts, man. So if people are interested in those things, you know, the.

the conversations I'm trying to have are gonna have more of that.

Angus Norton (33:12.212)
Yeah, no, that's that's really well put. I'm not going to add anything other than to say ditto to that. So thanks, Rick. Yeah. And I think it's fair to say that we both have voices for podcasts. We don't have faces for video.

Rick (33:24.782)
I didn't. Why do you think that? I don't have a podcast voice.

Angus Norton (33:30.058)
Mate, you're American. I mean, you've got to remember it's a global audience, right? So they are, it's an American accent. I always say to my wife, my wife's, you know, really into Formula One. And she has a really, I think she has a pretty cool accent. And I'm like, babe, you're like no more about Formula One than I do. You should start a podcast because your accent is so cool. People love listening to it. It's pretty funny when you're, someone with my atrocious accent living in the U.S., I've had it, I've been here for 22 years and I still have it.

Rick (33:34.851)
Yeah, right.

Angus Norton (33:59.52)
People always kind of find it interesting. I just feel it's kind of boring. But regardless, man, you're a yank. Be proud of it.

Rick (34:06.008)
Hey, I forgot to answer your question.

Angus Norton (34:08.118)
How was that?

Rick (34:10.698)
I think that the, I think that the listeners suggest, listen to some stuff and then make some comments about what they want to hear. It's just as simple as that. You know, Hey, that was great. A little bit more of this and a little bit less of that, whatever those things are, you know, that that's going to help us, you know, understand what they like or what they want. but our main mission is.

to convey information, you know, and like you said, man, don't forget this. We're not doing this for, we're interviewing a lot of people that make money riding motorcycles, but we do not.

Angus Norton (34:52.882)
right. You know, you know, it is, it is absolutely for the love of giving back so others can learn and not saying that everything we say is right, far from it. I think it's, it's just different perspectives on things. And for me, it's like, you know, I tend to lurk a lot in various groups online, I just, see all these questions. And sometimes I try and get in and answer, but the reality is, you know, there's nothing better than talking to someone that's made it their job for

Um, 30 plus years as a coach or has been riding on the track, um, as long as someone like you reckon. And I know you also do coaching, so you're not, you're not a slouch, but, you know, you have other things in your life. Um, so, Hey man. So I suppose the next time we'll see each other in person will be at Coda for MotoGP, which is going to be awesome. Um, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to hang out there, which is going to be great. Um, and, uh, um, but for everyone else, um,

Rick (35:42.466)
Yes, I'm looking forward to that.

Angus Norton (35:51.158)
Thank you for tuning in. know that our podcast probably just ended up randomly in your Spotify feed or suggested and we've a bunch of you have been listening. We've had a bunch of downloads and a lot. And so that's awesome. Um, and our first few have just kind of been the back catalog, I suppose of our YouTube stuff, but we'll get a bit more predictable in the future, starting with this super bike school series. So the first podcast we're to put up this weekend. Um, so, um, it's the 28th of January today. So

My birthday is on the 1st of February, so we'll be putting it out on the 1st of February basically.

Rick (36:23.692)
And can you say again who you have coming up? New?

Angus Norton (36:27.774)
Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to start with Dylan code. yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good point. So who we have coming up? First one we have is Rocco Landers, who's a motor America racer, who's been very successful in all the classes from super sport and stock 1000 all the way to the bagger series, which is, you know, the guys racing Harley's, which are pretty, pretty crazy. And

Rick (36:30.572)
No, you do you have new interviews?

Angus Norton (36:56.316)
I'm also scheduled with the pit crew chief for Pedro Costa. Yeah, so Paul Trefon. Paul is Pedro Costa's crew chief. yep, gas gas KTM. And we were supposed to catch up.

Rick (37:07.104)
what? Are you kidding me?

Rick (37:15.15)
Is he gonna be at KTM?

Rick (37:20.44)
Okay.

Angus Norton (37:23.474)
last week, but for obvious reasons, the stuff that's going on at KTM right now, we weren't able to do it. but we, he's confirmed we're going to talk and he actually thinks it'll be cooler to talk, after the tests, after the first few tests that are happening in the next couple of weeks, cause he's going to have a lot more data to share. And Paul is, also a Kiwi. and, I got introduced to Paul for another Kiwi. So I'm Simon Grayfar, who we've also interviewed.

Rick (37:46.702)
you

Angus Norton (37:50.454)
And we'll have Simon on later in the year too. He's transitioning to a new job as a steward.

Rick (37:55.734)
Yeah, that'll be interesting. That'll be interesting to ask him some questions about that. That'll be fun. Have fun with that one.

Angus Norton (38:02.154)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. It's just good. think we're just getting different perspectives, right? From North America and the world. And as Rick said, we just want, know, give us feedback. And yeah, so sweet as Rick. Thanks. Thanks, man.

Rick (38:09.101)
Yeah.

Rick (38:16.28)
Hey, Kobe Fair's coming up, right? I'm going to hit Kobe Fair. And I also have Kenzie Matsudaira. Sorry, Matsudaira. Yeah. Should I say that again so you can edit it out?

Angus Norton (38:19.702)
I'll be fair, yep.

Angus Norton (38:27.122)
Yes.

No, no, it's fine. Yeah. so, Kenza is racing in the, essentially was kind of Moto four, but it's the, it's the European, junior GP series. and he's only what 15, 14 years old. So he's actually too young to even go into rookie, the Red Bull rookies cup. think where you have to be 16, to go into that. So he's super talented, right? He's an American Japanese American writer.

Rick (38:48.91)
14.

Rick (39:03.202)
Yeah, I don't know. I haven't talked to him to know how he wants to be labeled, but to me, just he's just American guy of Japanese descent. Super fast, super kind. His father, Cooney, they're both super nice, very good people. He's fast. Spent a couple of days with them last month down in L.A.

Angus Norton (39:08.438)
Yep.

Rick (39:31.128)
So we're gonna anyway, we'll have a chat with him and his dad, Cooney, and we'll talk to them. They're headed off to Valencia here in a couple of weeks. And.

Angus Norton (39:43.04)
Yeah. I had an email from his dad actually. I think I told him that, you you had been helping him and it was really cool to see. I think Rick is also very worth mentioning that both Kuna, both both Kenzai and also Rocco Landers, both California Superbike School students, previous students and the schools still involved with Rocco a lot, I know. And I'm not sure about Kenzai, but they both sort of came up for the school, which is cool.

you know, then guys like Joe Roberts, you know, Joe Roberts was coached by Keith code. Joe's a Moto two racer. there's a lot of great people that are coming through the school again. We're not advertising for the school, but it's fair to say we're fans of the school, right? let's just, let's just, let's just close.

Rick (40:27.854)
It's okay. Hey man, my DNA is the school. So I don't have a choice. I am who I am today. I can't, I can't change it if I wanted to. My riding track riding DNA is from the California super bike school. So I don't have a choice. That's just what I have to say. And I have no complaints about it. I mean, we could all complain about.

something but I mean you know as a figure of speech but no man I mean it's there's plenty of other great places to learn I'm sure but that's the one that we're that we're connected with and so you know we're gonna go there first and get our people up on here

Angus Norton (41:19.136)
Sweet. right. Well, thanks, everyone. Thanks, Rick. yeah, see you next feedback, everyone. All right. Cheers. Bye.

Rick (41:26.734)
See you brother.